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hi this is George Rob and you're

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 420 420 for the sixth of

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November 2016 Richard Saunders here with

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you from sunny sunny sunny skies are

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blue sunny sydney australia and i can

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maybe you can too i can hear the birds

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singing outside their rainbow lorikeets

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yes wait and some um cockatoos thrown in

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for good measure or bad measure they can

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be destructive beasties cockatoos the

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rainbow lorikeets and the cockatoos are

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singing outside in the glorious sunshine

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we should just all run outside now and

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just enjoy the day instead of listening

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to the skeptic zone hmm now I don't

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think that'll work in fact do both yes

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you can put your headphones on and run

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outside enjoy the glorious day and

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listen to the skeptic zone unless where

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you are in the world is miserable

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weather then stay inside and listen to

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the skeptics own or you can go for a

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drive or maybe you're in the the bus or

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the train wherever you are what if he's

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doing welcome to the skeptic zone today

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special guest is dr. Kyle korzeniewski

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from now well from the recent past in

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fact QED where our reporter and the

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president of Australian skeptics are

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answer give interviewed dr. Carl

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cruising whisky who was a guest at QD

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and dr. Carl from the past in fact a

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quarter of a century ago where Maynard

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interviews dr. Carlin dr. Carl takes him

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talk back we've unearthed undone undone

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hard to believe anyway I'm sure you'll

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enjoy both dr. Carl crews will miss keys

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today on the skeptic zone following the

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interviews with dr. Cole's if I can put

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it that way some great news from Heidi

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vaccination supporters the group has

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news from Heidi about that inclusion of

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the website from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters at the who coming

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Heidi and well done everybody at that

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something called all on energy all gone

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desk all gone energy and we are thinking

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trying to target reasonable Hank now we

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mention reasonable Hank lots here on the

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various other guys remember locate we

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livid they hate reasonable Hank and some

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lived and have been sending abusive

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cause and things like that but they have

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man and his family they are so stupid

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found reasonable Hank you won't believe

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this story they're so stupid I have to

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even that stupid anyway coming up at the

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end of the show we have a report from

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Jane Hansen who is written about this

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story the the absolutely colossal case

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of bungling in competence from the

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of a mixed bag as ever I like to I like

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to have a bit of variety in the skeptic

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zone but now it's time for me to go go

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thing will I do that I hope you enjoy

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seas around ticket so cold welcome to

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the skeptics am thank you dr. Vera once

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great moments in science yeah that was

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the vague generic title specifically it

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example the big one that easy one is

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diets and so straight away there's a

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product that fails ninety-five percent

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irrationality for a while and also where

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fun and bombs and lots of things that

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explode and they go to university and

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difficult concepts into their brain so

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investment in the future and instead

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expensive burden on society and I gave

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the example also that in the USA the you

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olds and then finally that in Australia

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pal Claire have their our own army or

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navy or Air Force but they don't have to

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of do the dirty work for them and so in

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this case I advise people to read the

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book merchants of doubt by Naomi Oreskes

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big tobacco companies and how they went

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the big fossil fuel companies to run a

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warming and of course what she's shown

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and if there is always only God doesn't

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it almost comes it I would say it's

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probably an ethical issue because you

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have actually left your profession as a

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medical doctor to promote critical

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thinking and to promote especially

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around vaccines because you saw child

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island whooping cough so the in

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need for to die it was purely as a

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more dog food therefore trying to raise

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some controversy and therefore say well

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work on these people will say that does

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it it's over to you why don't you the

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of the lack of information we give you

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the media because I thought I could do

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more good there and as a result whatever

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being a doctor in a kid's hospital so I

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could do more good in the community now

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mentioned many of our conferences little

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believe first QE doing and I knew

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nothing about it was your own good

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people Richard Saunders for example who

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put me in contact with them then they

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then jumped on a plane on Thursday

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activity and and what you're seeing in

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it's essential to have an aware public

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of investigative journalism is changing

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dolls and real estate and cars so the

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newspapers used the revenue from their

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advertisements and from commercial you

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know smaller scale stuff to fund

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investigative Germans and that bond is

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falling over most of the newspapers are

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not shifting over well the New York

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Times is I'm very happy to pay fifteen

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dollars a month to get the new york

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times via the internet and i love

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reading and they were doing good scale

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investigation in australia we've got two

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separate situations happening one we

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have the fairfax which is seeming to go

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into a slow-motion tumble into leaving

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print because of various bad decisions

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that were made along the way not giving

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them enough revenue to survive the

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transition from print into the internet

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and the other model is the Murdoch

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newspapers which an entirely different

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kettle of fish because they're being run

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at a loss for various reasons and so

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we're in this transition period and it's

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so good that the skeptical movement is

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keeping alive the light of knowledge

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during this transition time where we end

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up with what we end up with we have no

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idea who can tell the future the park

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and stuff like the tides and you know

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eclipses and stuff like that that we can

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predict but the social

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it's so complex so you're doing good

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work and I'm hoping that your influence

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the future I will you will of course dr.

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Carl thank you very much for being on

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the script exam thank you today this is

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dr. Carl Carl Christmas keep proud to be

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skeptic and you can find out more about

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me at dr. Kyle calm and get lots of free

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here's my not spooky action at a

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and move one to the left Emma got Carol

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crews SQ hi Kyle how are you hi look

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mate I think I should tell you about

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some scientific truths in labeling I

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just really are because now we get to

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take some calls with go go for it right

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okay with regard to the microphone new

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you are using any use of that microphone

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in any manner whatsoever will increase

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the amount of disorder in the universe

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and the consumer that is you I warned

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the this process of talking on the

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microphone will lead ultimately to the

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heat death of the universe may you feel

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any guilt no not where you're going to

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be packing out on me mate it's all your

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fault you're increasing the amount of

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disorder in the universe and furthermore

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with regard to the users which they

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should be aware that every single radio

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that they are using made of 100-percent

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matter if it comes in contact with any

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antimatter it will explode in a

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catastrophic explosion any questions for

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Carl he have you do everything except

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relationships and windows don't you mana

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Chris good morning how am I um I'm

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pretty good on gum print feel a bit

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scientific field with soggy after the

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weekend but what's your question for

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Carl ok car look I wonder if there's a

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future in energy production from to

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virtual motion machines no no no there

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are three basic laws of thermodynamics

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which in the original form are quite

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complicated but I will give you the

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simplified version law number one you

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cannot win number two you cannot even

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break even number three you will always

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lose they're referring to energy so you

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cannot make a perpetual motion machine

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you can waste a lot of time thinking

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about it at the end of the day nobody's

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ever made one yeah so give up now okay

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give up now and sleep easy I better get

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back to bed then that's two people who

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put back to bed so enough of Jesus life

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till the breakfast shows for Joe mining

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job what am I wake up the morning you're

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concerned about a very high tide aren't

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you yeah sort of mr. the part two of

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that show after the warming with james

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burke and i was wondering exactly how

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the earth could warm up so far that that

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the caesar dries to 300 feet in 70 years

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he saints 100 feet in some [\h__\h] oh that

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was he was describing back in that

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Vikings of all right okay no choice did

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this right okay now the thing to realize

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is that what we're looking at now Joe is

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abnormal weather ok right now think of

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yourself you are a human being you have

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got a 1200 milliliter brain but three

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million years ago in four million years

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ago your brain was half that size

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assuming you've lived that long which

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you probably haven't

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your ancestors had a brain half that

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size in that three million years the

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typical weather pattern on the planet

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has been this there's an ice age for a

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hundred thousand years and not ice age

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for 10,000 years ice age 4 109 ice age

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through 10,000 that's the way it goes

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most of the time is spent in an ice age

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now in an ice age what happens is that

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the ice packs come down from the North

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Pole as far as Wisconsin where their

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kilometer high they come up from the

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south polar within for a thousand

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kilometres of Tasmania and all there's

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so much water trapped in the ice that

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the water level drops by a hundred

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meters or 300 feet and so with regard to

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the Aborigines for most of the times the

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Aborigines have been in Australia the

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Australia has been a bigger country it

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has only been 70 kilometers away from

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internet Indonesia and being sensible a

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lot of people to live on the coso mostly

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Aboriginal artifacts are buried under

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water but we are now at the end of this

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ten thousand year period soon another

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Ice Age will come along unless of course

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global warming stop sir who knows what's

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going to happen hang around it's going

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to be exciting times but until then

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probably go back to bed i reckon Joan

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dr. Harriet hall md no into thousands as

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the skeptic a retired family physician

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and former Air Force flight surgeon she

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writes about medicine so called

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complementary and alternative medicine

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science quackery and critical thinking

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Harriet now has a free course a series

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of ten video lectures on science based

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medicine and alternative medicine the

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videos and an accompanying course guide

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can be found by following the link at

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skeptic info or by visiting web Randy's

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org slash educational modules dot HTML

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topics covered in the series are

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science-based medicine vs.

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evidence-based medicine what is cam

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chiropractic acupuncture homeopathy

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naturopathy and herbal medicine energy

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medicine miscellaneous alternatives

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pitfalls in research and science-based

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medicine in the media and politics

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Harriet covers each topic in a matter of

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fact no-nonsense way that shorter

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone Heidi Robertson

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here from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters this past week

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was quite a proud moment for our little

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old grassroots community group as you'd

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know by now we formed three years ago in

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response to the appalling ly low rates

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of vaccination in our regional area of

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northern New South Wales mullumbimby

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we're near the popular tourist

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destination of Byron Bay earlier this

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year we were notified that the World

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Health Organization otherwise known as

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the who was looking to add links on

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their website to groups that provided

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reliable sources of information about

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vaccines and vaccine safety we decided

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to put forward our website for

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consideration because why not we do in

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fact put forward credible information to

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counter the vast amounts of

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misinformation out there we then went

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through an application process which

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went on for a few months and this last

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week we were approved by the WHO and now

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appear on their website as stated by the

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WHO quote due to the success of

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immunization some diseases are no longer

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perceived as a threat certain groups

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have even questioned the utility of

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vaccination in spite of its proven

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success in controlling disease in recent

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years a number of websites providing

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unbalanced misleading and alarming

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vaccine safety information have been

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established which can lead to undo fears

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particularly among parents and patients

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acknowledging the above-mentioned

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and urged by governments key

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nongovernmental organizations and the

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United Nations Children's Fund UNICEF

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the World Health Organization initiated

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in 2003 the vaccine safety net project a

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couple of days after we announced this

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somewhat incredible event on our

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Facebook page we were contacted by our

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local newspaper the Northern Star for an

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interview that story has now been

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published online and in print our own

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dr. Rachel heap a Northern Rivers

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intensive care doctor who wrote the

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content on our website was quoted in the

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article he is Richard to read it out

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from the Northern Star newspaper online

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edition published on the first of

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November 2016 why you shouldn't be

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afraid our vaccines group a local Pro

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vaccination group that began just three

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years ago has been recognized by the

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world health organization has a good

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source of information on vaccine safety

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the wh 0 publishes a list of websites

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that are found to quote facilitate the

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access of public health authorities

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health professionals and the public to

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reliable information min quote Northern

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Rivers vaccination supporters group is

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now one of those websites it can be

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found at the wh 0 s vaccine safety net

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web page along with other successful

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organizations Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters announced the

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achievement on their Facebook page quote

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we're absolutely stoked end quote one of

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the group's core administrators Rachel

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heap told the Northern Star quote we

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have worked really hard to put credible

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and reliable and accurate information

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out there to get recognized by the world

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health organization in that short time

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period for an unfunded grassroots

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community organization it's just awesome

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end quote she said the group's primary

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goal was to spread the word that people

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shouldn't be afraid of vaccines but

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instead quote you should be amazed at

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how extraordinary they are as a public

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health measure

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end quote dr. heap said one of the key

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strategies the group uses to get the

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message out there is called the quote

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thousand cups of tea in quote quote it's

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sitting down and talking to people about

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their fears and having the knowledge to

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explain to them what the science

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actually shows that conversation is key

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to the group in quote she said for more

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information about the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters visit them on

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facebook or visit w WN r vs info we are

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both humbled and proud that this has

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happened and we thank everyone who has

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supported us over the past three years

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our hope is that in the coming years we

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can make a measurable difference to the

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vaccination rates in our region thanks

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for listening this has been Heidi

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Robertson and you can find us on twitter

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at NR vac supporters that's VA x or on

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facebook at northern rivers vaccination

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supporters or on our website nrvs info

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on wikipedia thanks to susan goreck and

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the gorilla skeptics and Oh Susan if

547
00:26:17,030 --> 00:26:15,330
you're listening will need an edit to

548
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:17,040
include this new world health

549
00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:21,090
organization thing now and now also we

550
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:23,000
can be found on the World Health

551
00:26:40,139 --> 00:26:26,640
Organization website thanks everyone

552
00:26:44,889 --> 00:26:42,639
quack watch your guide to quackery

553
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:44,899
health fraud and intelligent decisions

554
00:26:50,289 --> 00:26:48,289
operated by Steven Barrett MD quite

555
00:26:51,789 --> 00:26:50,299
watch is now an international network of

556
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:51,799
people who are concerned about

557
00:26:56,649 --> 00:26:54,169
health-related frauds myths fads

558
00:26:59,529 --> 00:26:56,659
fallacies and misconduct its primary

559
00:27:01,989 --> 00:26:59,539
focus is on quackery related information

560
00:27:04,810 --> 00:27:01,999
that is difficult or impossible to get

561
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:04,820
elsewhere articles on quackery include

562
00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:08,210
quackery how should it be defined how it

563
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:12,230
sells 26 ways to spot it how it harms

564
00:27:17,499 --> 00:27:15,049
cancer patients 7 warning signs for

565
00:27:20,489 --> 00:27:17,509
bogus science why health professionals

566
00:27:22,690 --> 00:27:20,499
become quacks and many more including

567
00:27:26,139 --> 00:27:22,700
in-depth looks at acupuncture

568
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:26,149
chiropractic homeopathy naturopathy and

569
00:27:59,129 --> 00:27:55,109
recently here on Australian TV the bio

570
00:28:01,739 --> 00:27:59,139
drama of very famous man peter brock was

571
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:01,749
Sharon sadly peter brock died about 10

572
00:28:08,069 --> 00:28:04,570
years ago in a motor car accident he was

573
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:08,079
known as the king of the mountain the

574
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:09,849
mountain referring to the Bathurst race

575
00:28:17,999 --> 00:28:13,320
course in non-western New South Wales

576
00:28:20,249 --> 00:28:18,009
not too far west a wonderful racing car

577
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:20,259
driver and thrilled many people had many

578
00:28:27,449 --> 00:28:23,529
accomplishments but he was not immune to

579
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:27,459
falling for certain pseudoscience the

580
00:28:37,379 --> 00:28:31,450
one he fell for is called all gone

581
00:28:39,419 --> 00:28:37,389
energy and he was marketing what he

582
00:28:42,089 --> 00:28:39,429
called the energy polarizer which was

583
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,099
claimed to use this orgone energy to

584
00:28:47,249 --> 00:28:44,559
give the feel Morgan's get better

585
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:47,259
mileage cleaner running all that sort of

586
00:28:54,930 --> 00:28:51,190
standard claims and in fact he won the

587
00:28:56,879 --> 00:28:54,940
Australian skeptics bent spoon award the

588
00:28:58,499 --> 00:28:56,889
bent spoon being of course awarded each

589
00:28:59,999 --> 00:28:58,509
year by Australian skeptics to the

590
00:29:01,769 --> 00:29:00,009
perpetrator of the most pop oestrus

591
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:01,779
piece of paranormal or pseudo scientific

592
00:29:10,049 --> 00:29:06,809
piffle so they say in at 1986 and

593
00:29:12,029 --> 00:29:10,059
reading from an article of the history

594
00:29:15,239 --> 00:29:12,039
of the bent spoon written by Barry

595
00:29:18,659 --> 00:29:15,249
Williams we read the next award went to

596
00:29:20,819 --> 00:29:18,669
an Australian sporting icon in 1986

597
00:29:23,159 --> 00:29:20,829
peter brock australia's premier touring

598
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:23,169
car driver became involved in promoting

599
00:29:29,959 --> 00:29:26,529
an energy polarizer which he alleged

600
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:29,969
when attached to the firewall of a car

601
00:29:36,299 --> 00:29:33,129
improved its performance in all fields

602
00:29:38,579 --> 00:29:36,309
the device was not connected to any of

603
00:29:40,919 --> 00:29:38,589
the vehicle systems and supposedly

604
00:29:43,259 --> 00:29:40,929
worked by the application of a

605
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:43,269
mysterious energy unknown to science

606
00:29:48,719 --> 00:29:45,849
along with motoring journalists the

607
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,729
skeptics conducted an investigation into

608
00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:50,559
the device and found there was

609
00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:53,169
no basis for the claims made the fallout

610
00:29:59,610 --> 00:29:57,070
from this affair so Brock severing his

611
00:30:02,779 --> 00:29:59,620
relationship with General Motors that's

612
00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:02,789
a General Motors holdin his longtime

613
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:05,740
sponsors and with a number of his

614
00:30:10,739 --> 00:30:08,230
colleagues the publicity associated with

615
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:10,749
this case saw the device withdrawn from

616
00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:13,840
sale and as for orgone energy itself

617
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:17,940
from Wikipedia we see all gone is a

618
00:30:23,489 --> 00:30:21,070
pseudo-scientific and spiritual concept

619
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,499
describing an esoteric energy or

620
00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:25,919
hypothetical universal life force

621
00:30:32,669 --> 00:30:29,169
originally proposed in the 1930s by Phil

622
00:30:37,499 --> 00:30:32,679
him Reich has developed by rice student

623
00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:37,509
Carl Kelley after rice death in 1957

624
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:40,830
organ was conceived as the anti-entropic

625
00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:44,100
principle of the universe a creative

626
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:47,470
substratum in all of nature comparable

627
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:52,240
to Mesmer's animal magnetism wahlgren

628
00:30:59,129 --> 00:30:55,450
was seemed to be a massless omnipresent

629
00:31:02,639 --> 00:30:59,139
substance similar to the ether Reich

630
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:02,649
stated that defects or constrictions in

631
00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:05,769
the bodily organ were the root of many

632
00:31:11,789 --> 00:31:08,919
diseases the article goes on it's quite

633
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,799
extensive but I think I think you get

634
00:31:17,999 --> 00:31:14,320
the gist it's one of the famous energies

635
00:31:21,299 --> 00:31:18,009
unknown to science nor as a skeptic

636
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:21,309
Barry Williams likes to call them its EU

637
00:31:26,249 --> 00:31:24,340
TS energies unknown designs but as we

638
00:31:28,619 --> 00:31:26,259
mentioned skeptics Australian skeptics

639
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:28,629
have been investigating this energy and

640
00:31:33,749 --> 00:31:30,940
its associated devices for a long time

641
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:33,759
and in fact what I'll do in this week's

642
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:36,369
show notes is I'll provide a link with

643
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:38,049
the automatic search so you can look

644
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,330
through previous issues of the magazine

645
00:31:46,529 --> 00:31:42,690
the skeptic going back 30 years for

646
00:31:51,419 --> 00:31:46,539
references to this orgone energy and if

647
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:51,429
I have a quick look from volume 7 issue

648
00:31:57,090 --> 00:31:54,369
number one of the skeptic magazine way

649
00:31:59,129 --> 00:31:57,100
back in nineteen eighty seven an item

650
00:32:01,470 --> 00:31:59,139
written by Mary Williams at the time the

651
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:01,480
Brock energy polarizer scientific

652
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:03,850
breakthrough o witchcraft

653
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:06,130
readers will be familiar with recent

654
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:08,220
media controversy regarding the

655
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,289
commercial dispute between General

656
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:14,080
Motors paulding and mr. Peter Brooks

657
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,950
company hdt proprietary limited central

658
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:19,600
to this dispute appears to be the

659
00:32:24,659 --> 00:32:22,270
so-called energy polarizer the device

660
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:24,669
which consists of magnets and cylinders

661
00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:27,100
which is fitted to General Motors Holden

662
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:29,620
Commodore vehicles which after certain

663
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:32,049
modifications are sold as separate

664
00:32:37,049 --> 00:32:34,630
vehicles the Australian skeptics has no

665
00:32:39,659 --> 00:32:37,059
interest in the commercial dispute nor

666
00:32:41,789 --> 00:32:39,669
in the mechanical modifications our

667
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:41,799
concern is purely the claims made by the

668
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:44,559
Energy polarisers as published in the

669
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:48,400
media in this endeavor we are frustrated

670
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:51,190
by Mr brachs public statement that some

671
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:54,010
claims were made as quote a smokescreen

672
00:33:01,140 --> 00:32:56,860
and quote after his premises had been

673
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:01,150
burgled he was not explicit as to which

674
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:03,100
claims were genuine and which claims

675
00:33:08,490 --> 00:33:06,640
were smokescreen in particular we call

676
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:08,500
upon mr. Brock to explain whether the

677
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:11,110
following claims are valid number one

678
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:15,570
does the device utilize orgone energy

679
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:18,760
number two does the device utilize

680
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:21,250
energies unknown to science which cannot

681
00:33:27,270 --> 00:33:23,289
be tested by normal scientific means

682
00:33:31,049 --> 00:33:27,280
number three does the device realign the

683
00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:31,059
molecules in the vehicle number four

684
00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:33,190
does the fitting of the device without

685
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:36,220
any other mechanical adjustment quote

686
00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:41,110
turn a dog of a car into a sweet running

687
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:43,780
one end quote if none of the above

688
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:46,210
claims are valid what claims are made

689
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:49,919
for the quote energy polarizer unquote

690
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:52,150
Australian skeptics has made the

691
00:33:57,779 --> 00:33:54,250
investigation of the energy polarizer

692
00:34:00,120 --> 00:33:57,789
and various magnet / crystal devices

693
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:00,130
known to be on sale as a major project

694
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,760
for 1987 readers who have informed or

695
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:05,919
have had experience of such devices

696
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:08,139
which claimed to have beneficial effects

697
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:11,320
on motor vehicles water supplies human

698
00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:14,230
beings or anything else are invited to

699
00:34:20,419 --> 00:34:16,710
send us the details

700
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,429
but later from 1987 we read bent spoon

701
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:22,859
award for 1986 goes to peter brock and

702
00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:25,859
his energy polarizer so to expand on

703
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:28,109
what we read before by barry williams in

704
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:31,889
a year that saw the usual run of

705
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:34,760
psychics promoting their usual run of

706
00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:38,730
unusually wrong predictions 1986 and the

707
00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:41,190
start of 1987 also saw some rather

708
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:44,820
unusual examples of paranormal events or

709
00:34:49,099 --> 00:34:46,740
potential winners of the Australian

710
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:49,109
skeptics bent spoon award the judging

711
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:50,580
committee for the bent spoon would

712
00:34:55,339 --> 00:34:52,619
rejected the visiting American woman who

713
00:34:57,620 --> 00:34:55,349
filled venues in most capitals claiming

714
00:35:00,620 --> 00:34:57,630
to teach the cash paying public how to

715
00:35:03,740 --> 00:35:00,630
quote tap the universal force and quote

716
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:03,750
to enable them to bend cutlery the

717
00:35:08,890 --> 00:35:05,970
committee considered not entirely

718
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:08,900
seriously that this may have been

719
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:11,760
organized by the cutlery Manufacturers

720
00:35:15,859 --> 00:35:13,560
Association in an effort to boost

721
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:15,869
flagging sales why else would anybody

722
00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:19,500
want to mass bend spoons another strong

723
00:35:25,579 --> 00:35:22,950
contender was zan tax limited which paid

724
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,589
Israeli magician and alleged psychic uri

725
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:27,839
geller two hundred and fifty thousand

726
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:30,180
dollars us to find the location of gold

727
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:32,940
mines the judges rejected this story as

728
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:35,880
chantix appeared to be more of a victim

729
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:39,240
than a perpetrator of a psychic scam in

730
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:41,369
the event it was agreed that the one

731
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:43,560
outstanding example of pseudoscience of

732
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:46,440
the year was the so-called energy

733
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:48,270
polarizer and being promoted by top

734
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:50,700
australian racing driver peter brock the

735
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,680
story of how Australian skeptics became

736
00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:54,960
involved in the energy polarizer affair

737
00:36:00,800 --> 00:35:57,660
reads like the plot of a Licari novel

738
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:00,810
and is recounted in this issue mr. Brock

739
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:03,210
joins a distinguished list of winners of

740
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:05,820
the bent spoon award which includes the

741
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:08,130
thin horn Foundation the Melbourne

742
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:11,070
Metropolitan Board of Works and psychic

743
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:14,220
Tom Ward's now here's a short clip of

744
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:15,780
peter brock talking about the energy

745
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:19,800
polarizer in 1997 courtesy of the

746
00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:22,890
channel seven witness program a current

747
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:25,790
affairs programme of the time

748
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:28,530
ultimately the events that changed peter

749
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:30,690
brock more than anything was not one of

750
00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:34,280
his many successes but a failure it was

751
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:37,230
1987 and Brock was promoting this new

752
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:40,070
age device called the energy polarizer

753
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:42,990
makes motor vehicles with a lot better

754
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,450
in all respects Peter claimed simply

755
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:47,520
slipping this box of crystals and

756
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,140
magnets under the bonnet would make a

757
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:51,720
car run better and wanted to include it

758
00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:54,300
in the whole denbrock Commodore General

759
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,180
Motors slammed on the brakes there were

760
00:37:00,740 --> 00:36:59,400
many concerns the company claims but the

761
00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:00,750
one which brought the issue to a head

762
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:03,990
was the energy polarizer Holden says had

763
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:06,440
no choice but to sever the relationship

764
00:37:13,070 --> 00:37:09,750
well eyes pre naive and I just sort of

765
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:13,080
guess I thought oh well I know this is

766
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:15,090
so therefore the risk the world must

767
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:17,820
know it's so and I just tried to impose

768
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:19,410
my will and pilot others I suppose which

769
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:21,170
is always a great mistake to make

770
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:23,370
certainly love arrogance in doing that

771
00:37:27,860 --> 00:37:25,290
you still believe you were right though

772
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:27,870
don't you oh cool see I mean you you

773
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:30,930
know when you onto something and you

774
00:37:34,690 --> 00:37:32,610
know that particular principle is now

775
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,700
used very successfully the number of

776
00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:38,160
appliances which people by user rather

777
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:40,470
homes such as water purifiers and things

778
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,360
like that but you know that was ten

779
00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:44,640
years ago and well you know they say

780
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:48,680
their part is I got eaten by the natives

781
00:37:54,830 --> 00:37:51,480
so I bring this to your attention partly

782
00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:54,840
to illustrate what a great resource

783
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,270
there is for you waiting at the

784
00:38:02,000 --> 00:37:59,040
Australian skeptics website skeptics

785
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:02,010
calm today you if you just use the

786
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:05,250
search box at the top right you can

787
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:08,730
search through what is it now must be

788
00:38:15,350 --> 00:38:13,320
coming up to 36 35 36 years of research

789
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:15,360
and work and interviews and items and

790
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:19,140
reports all at your fingertips and also

791
00:38:24,350 --> 00:38:21,300
to let you know that this orgone energy

792
00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:24,360
is still an ongoing thing in this

793
00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:28,070
country you can still buy orgone devices

794
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:31,860
one of which i've discovered is the Geo

795
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,470
cleanse and a quote directly from the

796
00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:36,000
website of the people selling this

797
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,360
device to

798
00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:40,240
activate the Geo cleanse simply plug it

799
00:38:45,630 --> 00:38:42,280
into any power point and turn on the

800
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:45,640
switch geo cleanse does not use any

801
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:50,350
power at them you need only 10 cleanse

802
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:53,170
per property it's designed is compact in

803
00:39:00,420 --> 00:38:56,490
size making it portable for traveling or

804
00:39:02,540 --> 00:39:00,430
taking to work and quote it goes on to

805
00:39:05,790 --> 00:39:02,550
say the Geo cleanses a negative charge

806
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:05,800
residents pure orgone residents p o our

807
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:08,440
field generator designed to balance

808
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:12,310
positive charge residents deadly orgone

809
00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:15,610
residents do are otherwise known as a

810
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:18,820
noxious unhealthy energy created by all

811
00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:24,640
forms of EMR RF Wi-Fi earth and

812
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:27,400
interdimensional radiation to a

813
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:29,650
potentially healthier negative charge

814
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:34,390
residence p 0 r and that reminds me of

815
00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:35,530
something i said a couple of years ago

816
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:37,720
on the skeptic zone you can't make this

817
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:41,640
stuff up but somebody did so with the

818
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:44,110
10th anniversary of the passing of peter

819
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:46,690
brock it's given us an opportunity not

820
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only to look at orgone energy but to

821
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illustrate what a great resource is

822
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waiting for you at skeptics comdata you

823
00:40:01,260 --> 00:39:58,480
if you are researching paranormal

824
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825
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astronomy cast it takes a fact space

826
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journey through the cosmos as it offers

827
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listeners weekly discussions on

828
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829
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to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

830
00:40:41,529 --> 00:40:40,549
Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela

831
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:41,539
gave southern illinois university

832
00:40:46,089 --> 00:40:44,210
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833
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:46,099
questions of an avid astronomy lover

834
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:48,529
directly to an astronomer together

835
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,630
Fraser and I explore what is known and

836
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:52,160
being discovered about the universe

837
00:40:56,979 --> 00:40:54,920
around us join us each week as we take a

838
00:41:12,579 --> 00:40:56,989
fax space journey through the cosmos at

839
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:12,589
astronomy cast calm we use on the

840
00:41:15,999 --> 00:41:13,880
skeptics and we've been telling you

841
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:16,009
about the antics of de flying monkeys

842
00:41:22,029 --> 00:41:18,410
the flying monkeys otherwise known as

843
00:41:23,950 --> 00:41:22,039
the various anti-vaccination groups most

844
00:41:27,999 --> 00:41:23,960
famous amongst these of course is the

845
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:28,009
Australian vaccination skeptics network

846
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:31,910
well it seems that some people involved

847
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:34,249
in the general anti-vaccination movement

848
00:41:40,779 --> 00:41:37,390
have really outdone themselves this time

849
00:41:42,279 --> 00:41:40,789
and and always the temptation is to put

850
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:42,289
your opponent down as not being very

851
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,380
bright in any situation you're obviously

852
00:41:50,109 --> 00:41:47,599
smarter than they are your side is

853
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:50,119
better than that side your argument is

854
00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:51,529
obviously better than the other argument

855
00:41:58,779 --> 00:41:53,989
because you're in it can be the thinking

856
00:42:01,660 --> 00:41:58,789
in this case however in this case well

857
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:01,670
I'll read on and you'll see what I mean

858
00:42:08,739 --> 00:42:04,970
and this comes to us from Jane Hansen

859
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:08,749
and it appears in Daily Telegraph calm

860
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:11,720
today you published on the 6th November

861
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:16,210
2016 anti-vaxxers wrongly identified

862
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:19,730
Byron Bay physiotherapist as Pro

863
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:23,200
vaccination blogger Peter tienen is

864
00:42:27,099 --> 00:42:26,660
being bombarded by threatening calls and

865
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:27,109
messages

866
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from anti-vaccination activists and

867
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:33,349
fears quote one absolute nutter men

868
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:36,710
quote could attack him or his family all

869
00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:39,400
because some activists think he is

870
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:42,470
reasonable Hank a pro vaccination

871
00:42:47,739 --> 00:42:44,660
blogger who has been enraging the

872
00:42:50,289 --> 00:42:47,749
anti-vaxxers for years the problem is

873
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:50,299
mr. Tiernan a 51 year old

874
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physiotherapist who works in the Byron

875
00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:56,239
Shire is not reasonable Hank and has

876
00:43:00,759 --> 00:42:58,460
never been quote it started with a

877
00:43:03,609 --> 00:43:00,769
message on facebook messenger to my wife

878
00:43:06,549 --> 00:43:03,619
that they needed to discuss something

879
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:06,559
about her husband then it was phone

880
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:09,529
calls at work they were sending private

881
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:11,720
messages to me with my profile picture

882
00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:14,930
saying we know who you are and where I

883
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,680
live and where my kids go to school they

884
00:43:22,989 --> 00:43:20,480
sent messages knowing the day I head off

885
00:43:26,019 --> 00:43:22,999
from work and they have called my work

886
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:26,029
I've gone to the police but they are not

887
00:43:31,509 --> 00:43:28,970
interested I've had lots of calls with

888
00:43:33,849 --> 00:43:31,519
numbers withheld one woman said they had

889
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:33,859
been around to my house and they say

890
00:43:39,279 --> 00:43:36,049
they're going to expose me but it's a

891
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,289
monumental case of mistaken identity but

892
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:41,119
that's the quality of their research and

893
00:43:46,989 --> 00:43:44,690
quote mr. teen and sent mr. Tiernan has

894
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:46,999
taken down his facebook page and changed

895
00:43:52,299 --> 00:43:50,210
his phone number quote all it takes is

896
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:52,309
one absolute nutter to believe all this

897
00:43:58,450 --> 00:43:55,670
stuff in quote mr. teen and said the man

898
00:44:01,809 --> 00:43:58,460
the anti-vaxxers wanted to target was

899
00:44:04,539 --> 00:44:01,819
Peter Tierney not tienen who lives about

900
00:44:07,779 --> 00:44:04,549
a thousand kilometres away mr. Tierney

901
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:07,789
also known as a reasonable Hank has been

902
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:09,049
a thorn in the side of the

903
00:44:14,349 --> 00:44:11,059
anti-vaccination movement for years

904
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:14,359
blogging and exposing the cruel trolling

905
00:44:19,809 --> 00:44:16,460
of bereave parents alerting authorities

906
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,819
to fraudulent behavior and most recently

907
00:44:24,910 --> 00:44:22,160
outing nurses who are spreading

908
00:44:27,759 --> 00:44:24,920
anti-vaccination miss information in

909
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hospitals which has led to the nursing

910
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:29,509
and midwifery Board of Australia

911
00:44:33,489 --> 00:44:31,849
clamping down on such nurses for his

912
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:33,499
trouble mr. Tierney has received

913
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,049
hundreds of death threats while

914
00:44:39,549 --> 00:44:38,480
anti-vaxxers have tried for years to

915
00:44:42,279 --> 00:44:39,559
unearth him

916
00:44:44,529 --> 00:44:42,289
the group anti-vaccination Australia

917
00:44:47,410 --> 00:44:44,539
thought they hit pay dirt when they

918
00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:47,420
stumbled across Peter tienen a Byron

919
00:44:52,089 --> 00:44:49,880
bathe physiotherapist who although Pro

920
00:44:54,670 --> 00:44:52,099
vaccination has never stuck up his head

921
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:54,680
on the issue one well-known and evac sir

922
00:44:59,019 --> 00:44:56,900
Belgian coleg pronounced on the

923
00:45:00,849 --> 00:44:59,029
anti-vaccination Australia facebook site

924
00:45:04,029 --> 00:45:00,859
under the heading urgent public

925
00:45:05,469 --> 00:45:04,039
announcement quote we give great

926
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:05,479
pleasure in announcing that after

927
00:45:10,569 --> 00:45:07,430
several weeks of Investigation we have

928
00:45:12,549 --> 00:45:10,579
found and located reasonable Hank we

929
00:45:15,069 --> 00:45:12,559
urge all people from byron bay to be

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aware that he does work at the ballon a

931
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hospital and is unfortunately in the

932
00:45:22,209 --> 00:45:19,849
heart of most of us anti-vaxxers

933
00:45:25,569 --> 00:45:22,219
reporting and vilifying us for the last

934
00:45:28,269 --> 00:45:25,579
seven years we are now in the process of

935
00:45:30,849 --> 00:45:28,279
organizing a class action against him in

936
00:45:33,789 --> 00:45:30,859
quote the post was accompanied by photos

937
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:33,799
of peter tienen and his wife sydney

938
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:36,650
naturopath brett smith wrote on his blog

939
00:45:41,979 --> 00:45:39,650
quote now like most effective farmer

940
00:45:44,709 --> 00:45:41,989
trolls and cowards of course he had to

941
00:45:47,949 --> 00:45:44,719
remain anonymous you can't spend your

942
00:45:50,589 --> 00:45:47,959
entire life slandering all those poor

943
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:50,599
vaccine damaged families and also have

944
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:52,150
the courage to do it under your own name

945
00:45:58,479 --> 00:45:55,910
so no Hank in a crafty bit of words Minh

946
00:46:02,559 --> 00:45:58,489
ship altered his name from Peter tienen

947
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,569
to Peter Tierney nice one shank nudge

948
00:46:07,569 --> 00:46:05,119
nudge wink wink and quote he later told

949
00:46:11,709 --> 00:46:07,579
The Sunday Telegraph he stood by his

950
00:46:14,349 --> 00:46:11,719
investigative skills quote I've got the

951
00:46:17,439 --> 00:46:14,359
right man poor Hank he has no idea i've

952
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:17,449
spoken with both people you can quote me

953
00:46:22,449 --> 00:46:20,329
on that in quote mr. Smith said mr.

954
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:22,459
tierney also known as reasonable Hank

955
00:46:27,370 --> 00:46:24,650
said he had chosen to remain anonymous

956
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,380
for good reason quote very deliberately

957
00:46:31,509 --> 00:46:29,359
there are no public photographs of me

958
00:46:34,449 --> 00:46:31,519
because the threats have escalated over

959
00:46:37,059 --> 00:46:34,459
the years in quote he said quote one man

960
00:46:39,370 --> 00:46:37,069
said I'm going to come and kill your

961
00:46:41,019 --> 00:46:39,380
whole family another said he was going

962
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:41,029
to strangle me and others have said

963
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:44,150
guess what we know where you live now

964
00:46:49,329 --> 00:46:46,249
they are sending messages to my inbox

965
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,339
including a photo of Peter tenon have

966
00:46:52,990 --> 00:46:51,920
sent that as a threat to say we know

967
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:53,000
what you look like

968
00:46:59,140 --> 00:46:56,090
I'm speechless and how stupid they are

969
00:47:01,450 --> 00:46:59,150
but it's taken a sinister turn and they

970
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:01,460
don't care about verifying facts but

971
00:47:05,350 --> 00:47:03,230
they have singled out a completely

972
00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:05,360
innocent man in his family and quote

973
00:47:11,230 --> 00:47:08,120
there is no suggestion that either mr.

974
00:47:13,930 --> 00:47:11,240
Smith or miss coleg have made these sort

975
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:13,940
of threats to either mr. teeny or mr.

976
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:16,760
teen and when asked if they knew they

977
00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:18,890
had the wrong person and why they were

978
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:21,830
publicly toggling the wrong Peter Misek

979
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,730
olek said the threats were quote esa in

980
00:47:29,830 --> 00:47:28,400
quote and that quote you have all the

981
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:29,840
screenshots but you haven't got your

982
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:32,990
facts right and quote on Friday mr. Cole

983
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:35,420
AG and mr. Smith pledged to vaccinate

984
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:37,810
their kids if they were proved wrong

985
00:47:43,690 --> 00:47:41,030
quote if you prove us wrong and you're

986
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,700
not Peter teen and me and brett Smith

987
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:45,680
are making an official announcement that

988
00:47:49,180 --> 00:47:47,450
we are going to vaccinate our children

989
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:49,190
and retire from the movement end quote

990
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:52,640
the post read police are investigating

991
00:47:59,500 --> 00:47:55,490
the threats thank you to Jane Hansen for

992
00:48:01,150 --> 00:47:59,510
that report I will keep you posted when

993
00:48:04,330 --> 00:48:01,160
more developments come to hand it's

994
00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:04,340
going to be interesting to see what the

995
00:48:09,370 --> 00:48:07,430
ramifications are and if these people

996
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:09,380
whoever they are ultimately responsible

997
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:12,410
are prosecuted a link in this week's

998
00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:44,430
hey Richard oh hi Trish hi Wow would you

999
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:46,150
like a coffee yeah thanks what you're

1000
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:48,340
working on trying to come up with a new

1001
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:50,740
promo to play on the skeptic zone here's

1002
00:48:55,950 --> 00:48:53,530
it for the good thinking society in the

1003
00:48:58,290 --> 00:48:55,960
UK you know Michael Marshall Simon Singh

1004
00:49:00,060 --> 00:48:58,300
Nora Thomas and that cloud oh yeah I

1005
00:49:02,570 --> 00:49:00,070
know them they've been doing some great

1006
00:49:05,490 --> 00:49:02,580
work investigating veterinary homeopathy

1007
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:05,500
vetri homeopathy wait you sugarpill this

1008
00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:07,930
for cows I know right and also they're

1009
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:09,220
looking at some of the dodgy medical

1010
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:12,010
advice given by UK chiropractors really

1011
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:13,630
okay look I'll mention all that in the

1012
00:49:21,330 --> 00:49:17,380
promo now their website is good thinking

1013
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:21,340
society com and they've recently been

1014
00:49:24,690 --> 00:49:23,020
reporting on the resurgence of faith

1015
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,700
healer peter Popoff you know Popeye

1016
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:27,040
right okay look thanks to that it gives

1017
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:44,300
they give a listening to the skeptic

1018
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:49,440
zone and good heavens that last story of

1019
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:53,760
the appalling stupidity arrogance of the

1020
00:50:01,040 --> 00:49:56,930
conspiracy theorists the anti-vaxxers

1021
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:01,050
more about that soon I'm sure there will

1022
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,210
be more there'll be ramifications and

1023
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:05,520
we'll keep you up to date and if you

1024
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:07,500
want to be kept up to date on many

1025
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:09,510
things and you're in Australia don't

1026
00:50:12,859 --> 00:50:11,339
forget the Australian skeptics national

1027
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:12,869
convention is coming up at the end of

1028
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:14,970
this month link at the show notes or

1029
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:16,770
just google Australian skeptics National

1030
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,089
Convention you'll find out more about

1031
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:21,359
that of course I'll be appearing in New

1032
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:23,369
Zealand in a few weeks at their national

1033
00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:25,619
conference again link on the show notes

1034
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:27,630
and if you're in New Zealand it would be

1035
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:29,670
great to see you the conference will be

1036
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:31,770
in Queenstown at the beginning of

1037
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,530
december thanks to those people who keep

1038
00:50:40,099 --> 00:50:37,200
asking me how the skeptics own kittens

1039
00:50:41,780 --> 00:50:40,109
are well I don't know how long a kitten

1040
00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:41,790
as a kitten before it becomes a cat but

1041
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,099
I think they're cats now Henrietta

1042
00:50:49,059 --> 00:50:46,560
weighed in today at four point five

1043
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:49,069
kilos and maude weighed in at four kilos

1044
00:50:53,809 --> 00:50:52,500
so they're not little kittens anymore we

1045
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,819
might have to interview them next week

1046
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:56,480
on the show see what their opinions are

1047
00:51:00,319 --> 00:50:58,619
thank you to all those people who came

1048
00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:00,329
along to skeptics in the pub just the

1049
00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:02,280
other night it was fabulous it was

1050
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,560
packed we had a huge turnout here in

1051
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:06,599
Sydney for skeptics in the pub where we

1052
00:51:13,569 --> 00:51:11,190
enjoy to talk about nigerian scammers

1053
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:13,579
and things like that how people can be

1054
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:16,500
sucked in how they're gullible now some

1055
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:17,940
people can be gullible to these sort of

1056
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:20,490
scams and if you want to be kept abreast

1057
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:23,400
of goings-on with the local scene here

1058
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:27,260
in sydney i suggest you go to meetup com

1059
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:31,260
/a ust skeptics aust skeptics sign up

1060
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:33,810
there and you will be kept up to date

1061
00:51:39,740 --> 00:51:35,910
when their announcements to be made

1062
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:39,750
though will appear and you can reserve

1063
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:42,420
your place at the pub then just between

1064
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:45,930
you and me early next year we have a

1065
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,910
pretty big name appearing at skeptics in

1066
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,160
the pub so that's probably a wise thing

1067
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:52,079
to do is to put yourself down on the

1068
00:51:57,050 --> 00:51:53,700
meetup list so you get advanced

1069
00:51:58,460 --> 00:51:57,060
notification I certainly will thank you

1070
00:52:00,560 --> 00:51:58,470
to all those people who said hello to me

1071
00:52:01,940 --> 00:52:00,570
at the origami convention last week here

1072
00:52:04,310 --> 00:52:01,950
in Sydney that was a great time had a

1073
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:04,320
wonderful time and I gave a lesson in

1074
00:52:09,350 --> 00:52:07,140
how to fold the Flying Pig Pegasus if

1075
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:09,360
you want to learn how to fly a fly that

1076
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:10,950
would be fun if you want to learn how to

1077
00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:14,610
fold your own flying pig the James Randi

1078
00:52:18,620 --> 00:52:16,620
Educational Foundation that their logo

1079
00:52:22,610 --> 00:52:18,630
the flying pig because us just Google

1080
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:22,620
Pegasus and origami or go to youtube and

1081
00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:24,780
look up for origami Pegasus and you'll

1082
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:26,790
find me giving instructions there video

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